Comments on: The three dimensions of enterprise 2.0

By: Bertrand DUPERRIN’s Notepad triggered me: no qualification (tags for quality on my blog) « Fredzimny’s CCCCC Blog

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:26:45 +0000

[...] another point that people who didn’t like my thoughts about the optionnal nature of “humanist philosophy” in enteprise 2.0 may enjoy. Deming was against the traditional violence in management and was pursuing social [...]

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[...] The three dimensions of enterprise 2.0 | Bertrand DUPERRIN’s Notepad [...]

By: Gre Petroff

Gre Petroff — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:24:29 +0000

There is an chicken and egg argument to be made around … do the new tools change the organization or does the New org need need change tools?

In some research with customers we have found that there are groups that are using Gmail with Google docs that are working in fundamentally new ways….What started as a cost saving effort led the group into your third dimension.

By: Bertrand DUPERRIN

Bertrand DUPERRIN — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:57:34 +0000

I think that Tools and Org can me made at the same time or the one after the other. In this second option, tools must come before.

Philosophy (or most of the philosphy) is optional.

By: Bertrand DUPERRIN

Bertrand DUPERRIN — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:55:32 +0000

Maybe. What makes me uncomfortable is that some people are going too far in Philosophy. Maybe we can distinguish two philosophy layers : one that has to be shared and one that is optional.

I can understand some have a “revolutionary vision”. It’s been successfully implemented in some organization for decades. But it’s irrelevant for most organization and can even be a threat to them. That’s what I call the “dreamy” part of E2.0, the one that is not mandatory but still scares many clients.

By: Timo Elliott

Timo Elliott — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:46:15 +0000

Yes! And the problem has been that most Enterprise 2.0 evangelists get most excited about philosophy 2.0 and organization 2.0, whereas many organizations will start by slowly and incrementally introduce tools 2.0 along existing business processes (“collaborative ERP”) — not because it’s the best thing to do, but because it’s easy and straightforward — and only then start thinking about Organization 2.0 (e.g. across the supply chain) — and they may never get to Philosophy 2.0…

By: Larry Hawes

Larry Hawes — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:31:11 +0000

Good stuff, Bertrand! I like your conceptual layers, but would argue that Philosophy 2.0 needs to be an integral part of the other two. Otherwise the tool and organizational efforts will not have nearly the impact they should on efficiency and productivity, not to mention effectiveness.